Michael is sober 29 years since 9/5/1987.
Debbie is sober 27 years since 4/1/1990.
They met and married before Michael got sober and each have a unique approach to this design for living.
They share their passion for this Program and for sobriety.
Each spoke for about 20 minutes.
(41 min) (7.1 MB) (id#1929)
